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		<title>By: Bill Sebald</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-9179</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sebald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 00:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t agree more!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Montali</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-9178</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Montali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill,

I have found that there are a lot of posts out there written by people that don&#039;t seem to &quot;walk the walk&quot;.  When I look at their websites or those of their clients, they don&#039;t have very high page rank or they don&#039;t dominate in any substantial way.  How can someone have credibility and authority when they&#039;ve not been successful in their own right?

On a more specific level, say someone is touting a particular method of link building in a blog post, if I can&#039;t look at their own link profile and find any evidence of those links then it begs the question if they&#039;re speaking based on hunches instead of proven success.  

It&#039;s an unfortunate fact in this industry that you get a lot of people who present themselves as gurus when they really don&#039;t know enough to authoritatively write an article or worse, charge someone for SEO services.

Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I have found that there are a lot of posts out there written by people that don&#8217;t seem to &#8220;walk the walk&#8221;.  When I look at their websites or those of their clients, they don&#8217;t have very high page rank or they don&#8217;t dominate in any substantial way.  How can someone have credibility and authority when they&#8217;ve not been successful in their own right?</p>
<p>On a more specific level, say someone is touting a particular method of link building in a blog post, if I can&#8217;t look at their own link profile and find any evidence of those links then it begs the question if they&#8217;re speaking based on hunches instead of proven success.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unfortunate fact in this industry that you get a lot of people who present themselves as gurus when they really don&#8217;t know enough to authoritatively write an article or worse, charge someone for SEO services.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sebald</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sebald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough.  But you wouldn&#039;t be afraid to tell the readers you&#039;re being theoretical, right?  I feel the majority of what I read doesn&#039;t.  The industry (including all of marketing by the way) tends to tell you &quot;such and such&quot; will grow hair on your chest, write 300 posts and presentations about it, but never prove it.  To that I say no thanks (which is what this post is about), because I only feel like I&#039;m in the echo chamber being marketed to by my own peers.

As far as your findings being stolen, yeah.  It happens.  I had a nice post years ago about the PR passing shortened URLs that I saw some exact data go uncredited into a Search Engine Land post.  I can understand anyone&#039;s decision to not to want to share it, but if you&#039;re doing the kind of posts I noted above (it sounds like you aren&#039;t), I&#039;d be frustrated.  

NDAs are tough (which I also noted in my post).  I still argue there&#039;s a way to blind enough data to show something.  But most of the posts I&#039;m criticising share nothing remotely convincing.  And frankly, the industry happily goes along with it.  That&#039;s the crux of the biscuit for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  But you wouldn&#8217;t be afraid to tell the readers you&#8217;re being theoretical, right?  I feel the majority of what I read doesn&#8217;t.  The industry (including all of marketing by the way) tends to tell you &#8220;such and such&#8221; will grow hair on your chest, write 300 posts and presentations about it, but never prove it.  To that I say no thanks (which is what this post is about), because I only feel like I&#8217;m in the echo chamber being marketed to by my own peers.</p>
<p>As far as your findings being stolen, yeah.  It happens.  I had a nice post years ago about the PR passing shortened URLs that I saw some exact data go uncredited into a Search Engine Land post.  I can understand anyone&#8217;s decision to not to want to share it, but if you&#8217;re doing the kind of posts I noted above (it sounds like you aren&#8217;t), I&#8217;d be frustrated.  </p>
<p>NDAs are tough (which I also noted in my post).  I still argue there&#8217;s a way to blind enough data to show something.  But most of the posts I&#8217;m criticising share nothing remotely convincing.  And frankly, the industry happily goes along with it.  That&#8217;s the crux of the biscuit for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sebald</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sebald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I definitely want to go on record that I think Authorship is valid to talk about.  I&#039;m a believer in it&#039;s possible/probable future impact, no question.  What I don&#039;t like seeing is the tons of content about it as if it is working now, or worth a major left turn in SEO strategies that are actually proving to work.  

Again, AJ is not guilty of this frustration at all.  He&#039;s an example of a thought leader who is doing it right by my book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely want to go on record that I think Authorship is valid to talk about.  I&#8217;m a believer in it&#8217;s possible/probable future impact, no question.  What I don&#8217;t like seeing is the tons of content about it as if it is working now, or worth a major left turn in SEO strategies that are actually proving to work.  </p>
<p>Again, AJ is not guilty of this frustration at all.  He&#8217;s an example of a thought leader who is doing it right by my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Verre</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Verre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your point is well taken: show me the data. Like AJ said, case studies are hard to build, and even harder to publish with all the NDAs encircling every shred of data. Yet, it&#039;s more than just the NDAs that are stopping me from publishing hard data on posts. The fact is, it takes a LONG time to test a hypothesis, and a long to devise a method that leaves little to no loop-holes. And, as the algo shifts/changes happen more frequently (at break-neck speed) what was &quot;testable&quot; 2 or 3 weeks ago, that window may have already closed. 

Then to publish those results, so that I can be viewed as an &quot;expert&quot; to peers? So that we can all have the same knowledge base and leave no differentiating factors between us? No thanks. You get credit for the data for a second these days, before the &quot;Big Boys of Search&quot; incorporate into their repertoire or claim it as their own discovery. Now I do my testing and discovery with my client sites and keep that knowledge to myself (good and bad).

It&#039;s why I&#039;m given to writing about SEO theory, marketing tactics, business philosophy with search slants on it these days. It&#039;s a lot more fulfilling to where to go and different angles on Search/SEO than it is to give away the data. It takes as much critical thinking to write great theory and philosophy posts as it does to conduct tests, IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point is well taken: show me the data. Like AJ said, case studies are hard to build, and even harder to publish with all the NDAs encircling every shred of data. Yet, it&#8217;s more than just the NDAs that are stopping me from publishing hard data on posts. The fact is, it takes a LONG time to test a hypothesis, and a long to devise a method that leaves little to no loop-holes. And, as the algo shifts/changes happen more frequently (at break-neck speed) what was &#8220;testable&#8221; 2 or 3 weeks ago, that window may have already closed. </p>
<p>Then to publish those results, so that I can be viewed as an &#8220;expert&#8221; to peers? So that we can all have the same knowledge base and leave no differentiating factors between us? No thanks. You get credit for the data for a second these days, before the &#8220;Big Boys of Search&#8221; incorporate into their repertoire or claim it as their own discovery. Now I do my testing and discovery with my client sites and keep that knowledge to myself (good and bad).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why I&#8217;m given to writing about SEO theory, marketing tactics, business philosophy with search slants on it these days. It&#8217;s a lot more fulfilling to where to go and different angles on Search/SEO than it is to give away the data. It takes as much critical thinking to write great theory and philosophy posts as it does to conduct tests, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Kendall</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>J.C. Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice Article, Bill. I think its a good reminder to avoid hyping a new strategy, but as AJ suggested many of us are pretty convinced that at some point Authorship is going to count. That said, we clearly have no idea how much. Thanks for the reminder to always try to put some meat into our assertions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Article, Bill. I think its a good reminder to avoid hyping a new strategy, but as AJ suggested many of us are pretty convinced that at some point Authorship is going to count. That said, we clearly have no idea how much. Thanks for the reminder to always try to put some meat into our assertions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sebald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sebald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on AJ.  You&#039;re always one I would point to for providing data and proof to anything you share or get behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on AJ.  You&#8217;re always one I would point to for providing data and proof to anything you share or get behind.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Kohn</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Kohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been pretty clear that I don&#039;t think Authorship is a ranking signal now, though clearly it does have an impact on CTR. And I&#039;ll tell you, because I&#039;m so jazzed about it, I&#039;m very skeptical when someone thinks they&#039;re seeing it implemented. Do I think it&#039;s something Google&#039;s working on and passionate about? You bet and there&#039;s ample evidence to support that. 

I&#039;m cognizant that for every &#039;theory&#039; post I should also have a post that is truly productive, actionable or fact-based. It&#039;s one of the reasons I like to develop bookmarklets or write about Excel tips (though I haven&#039;t done the latter in a while.)

A lot of the time I try to show the work that I&#039;m doing via my blog - dogfooding. I hope that something like my post on changing the title tag falls into that camp. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/blog-post-optimization&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/blog-post-optimization&lt;/a&gt;

Unfortunately, real client case studies are often difficult to use because of confidentiality issues. But in all I agree that there needs to be more practical versus theoretical. James Agate is a very good example of this and I think I actually told him so on Google+ a few weeks ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been pretty clear that I don&#8217;t think Authorship is a ranking signal now, though clearly it does have an impact on CTR. And I&#8217;ll tell you, because I&#8217;m so jazzed about it, I&#8217;m very skeptical when someone thinks they&#8217;re seeing it implemented. Do I think it&#8217;s something Google&#8217;s working on and passionate about? You bet and there&#8217;s ample evidence to support that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m cognizant that for every &#8216;theory&#8217; post I should also have a post that is truly productive, actionable or fact-based. It&#8217;s one of the reasons I like to develop bookmarklets or write about Excel tips (though I haven&#8217;t done the latter in a while.)</p>
<p>A lot of the time I try to show the work that I&#8217;m doing via my blog &#8211; dogfooding. I hope that something like my post on changing the title tag falls into that camp. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/blog-post-optimization">http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/blog-post-optimization</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, real client case studies are often difficult to use because of confidentiality issues. But in all I agree that there needs to be more practical versus theoretical. James Agate is a very good example of this and I think I actually told him so on Google+ a few weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sebald</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sebald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mostly worry about the posts that tout it as the next big thing before it is the next big thing.  Like +1&#039;s, searchwiki, and real-time search were supposed to be for SEO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly worry about the posts that tout it as the next big thing before it is the next big thing.  Like +1&#8242;s, searchwiki, and real-time search were supposed to be for SEO.</p>
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		<title>By: Kane Jamison</title>
		<link>http://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/12/case-study-or-it-didnt-happen/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>Kane Jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the majority of this, and would love to see more case studies from the industry and from myself.

One response to your examples: I think many writers pushing the future of Authorship would agree that it has relatively small effects on rankings at the moment. But, it&#039;s growth in the future seems inevitable, as Google has shown time and time again that they can&#039;t handle spam with their current approach. It&#039;s easy to forget that nothing&#039;s inevitable in this industry, which is why I think most posts on Authorship skip the disclaimer of &quot;this may or may not affect rankings now and we&#039;re speculating on why we think it will be important in the future.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the majority of this, and would love to see more case studies from the industry and from myself.</p>
<p>One response to your examples: I think many writers pushing the future of Authorship would agree that it has relatively small effects on rankings at the moment. But, it&#8217;s growth in the future seems inevitable, as Google has shown time and time again that they can&#8217;t handle spam with their current approach. It&#8217;s easy to forget that nothing&#8217;s inevitable in this industry, which is why I think most posts on Authorship skip the disclaimer of &#8220;this may or may not affect rankings now and we&#8217;re speculating on why we think it will be important in the future.&#8221;</p>
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